Big Ted. What a nice nickname for someone who I’m sure was a nice young man.
His MKULTRA handler gave it to him
“Hey Big Ted how’s your brain feeling”
“Good enough to mostly make sense” Industrial Society and its Future
Why are people supporting this insane view is so strange to me. The results of no industrial revolution would be a lack of medicine and widespread famine, on a scale no place on earth has ever seen.
If you care about the health of disabled people, if you care about minorities, if you care about workers, then this view is untenable. Its one step shy of full on fascism, “final solution” style. I have more sympathy for absolute misanthropy than this; at least it’s honest.
the industrial revolution could have been done without capitalism actively choosing to destroy so many lives in the name of profit…
This is squarely to blame on capitalism.
most everything is.
It’s what the lack of historical materialism does to a mfer.
A desire to return to the norm of humanity for the last 15,000 years does not seem immediately similar to fascism. In fact, your immediate violent dismissal of it is concerning.
Those 15000 years were violent; death, disease and persecution were constant and everywhere. Oh and that return would reduce the population by at least ~80%. Anyone suggesting it would be good necessarily implicitly supports a global genocide.
Who do you think would suffer as a result, besides minorities and disabled people?
Well unfortunately, a global population crash is already in the cards whether you want it to or not. Not that I do want it to. I just think that it would have been better to have never had the population boom and now crash that the industrial revolution precipitated. I’m not saying I want to undo it, because as you said, it would kill people. I’m saying it would have been better for those people to have never existed at all.
More on OPs topic, the industrial revolution HAS been a disaster for humans and the planet. Look at the world. We have destroyed the ecosystems the world over. In 20 years, everyone alive will see very clearly what the suffering you described as happening in the middle ages was like. But now we have 8 billion people to enjoy it. Progress.
In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
froopy dude coming though
Learning to walk upright and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
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getting older is realizing the Unabomber may have had a point…
I read his writing for the first time recently. It certainly sticks with you. He was certainly no dummy. I still take issue with some of his stances. Big of me, I know.
I was about to say, you nod along with Ted until he starts into the racist bits.
Also his entire argument, which is pretty well-structured, completely hinges on certain things he just takes for granted. Namely, that the number of people that would be harmed by his approach might be far greater than continuing on this current path. I don’t know whether he’s right or wrong about that, but it’s PRETTY CRUCIAL, and I feel there’s tons of room for nuance. He, in his frustration, seemingly reduced the potential deaths of tens of millions (if not more) to, “Eh. Fuck it, it’s probably better,” best I can tell. He offers plenty of diagnoses, but no real remedies or cures.
Mentally diseased woman hating racist antI-semite incel who unapologetically killed innocent people says “fuck the system” and that’s what anyone focuses on?
Fun fact: You wouldn’t be driving behind them or honking your horn if it wasn’t for the industrial revolution.
The more you know…
I would argue that the Agricultural Revolution was the turning point that set humanity on its current path, for better and worse.
To be fair, life before agriculture was often harsh, but many of the problems that define civilization today, such as large-scale warfare, rigid social hierarchies, widespread inequality, organized slavery, and systemic exploitation, became possible only after humans settled down and began producing agricultural surpluses.
Regardless of what is happening in the world right now, we are living in one of the most peaceful and prosperous periods in human history. Aside from the anti-vaccination movement, which is a travesty for humanity, we have the best medicine, the highest life expectancy, and the lowest infant mortality rates in history.
That said, I suspect humans are better adapted to living in small migratory bands of hunters and gatherers than in large, sedentary urban societies. Civilization has given us extraordinary technology and material comfort, but it may have come at the cost of the social structures, physical activity, and close-knit communities that humans evolved to thrive in.
If you gain this, you will inevitably lose that.
