Artist Jingna Zhang built Cara, a platform explicitly intended to protect artists from having their art stolen by AI…and yet these people just won’t leave them well enough alone.
“defending AI art”… jesus, that’s sad.
Imagine having so little talent that you consider AI generated slop “art”
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Recently I’ve been embedding metadata into pictures I upload which include the cost to license out the image for AI training: 1 million dollars. Then, if an AI company scrapes my picture, I can take that company to court and have a concrete dollar amount for how much that company owes me for damages.
Its a bit delusional to think you can sue them. For a number of reasons, not least of which is that you don’t have the funds for a protracted legal battle and that the burden of proof that your work was used is pretty much impossible to prove.
I don’t think so. First of all, if a lawyer thinks that I have a strong case, they could agree to be paid after I win, so I don’t need to pay out of pocket up front. Second, it is easy to prove that an AI company used my pictures, since they would need to download the pictures to train on them. Alternatively, if a platform sells it to the AI company, there is a record that it was sold for the purposes of AI training.(In that case, we don’t have to prove that the image was used for training, since the crime is the sale.) Lastly, since the license and purchase info is contained within the metadata of the picture, they can’t argue that the license was unavailable or something. They have it right there in their servers!
I’m not a lawyer, but as an artist, bravo. You’ve changed how I look at this. No sarcasm here. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
How will you poof that there was this high of a damage?
Its art, the artist is saying if you want it you have to pay x amount and they are taking it so the presumption is that they both know the value put on it by the artist and decided to use it.
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
But, isn’t this just a demonstration that Cara isn’t doing what it’s built for? If one person, who is honest about what they did, is able to scrape all the art for $10, wouldn’t the major AI companies also be able to scrape it?
And not only would they not be honest about it, it seemed like this went completely unnoticed by Cara.
They claim they may have a way to remove Glaze and Nightshade, two of the tools protecting images hosted on Cara from being used as training data. Which means right now they don’t have a way to remove it, which means Cara is still working, which I’m not implying is going to forever be true nor am I particularly informed; I just read the whole post.
Does CARA implement protections on scraping? Or is it meant to be a platform where even if scraped, the images are protected via Nightshade and other tech?
An individual being able to specifically target an Anti-AI site is different that crawlers being automated to do the same thing to every site ignoring robot.txt files etc.
So it took an individual to go and specific target this platform which I think means that CARA isn’t really breaking its promises so much as it just needs to continue to update the techniques it uses to protect the artworks housed there. Web security has always been a game of cat and mouse.
Cara uses third-party content moderation services from Hive (an AI company) to prevent AI-generated art from being uploaded onto the site.
Hahahahaha so this friendly™ Chinese platform basically feeds every uploaded image into an AI to determine if it’s AI.
Just self host your own personal blog/art or use a proper website and not that shitshow.
The idea I believe it to prevent your art from being scraped. Self-hosting Isn’t a solution
An app like Cara, that positions itself as an Anti-AI art platform, would obviously be targeted by anyone who’s offended simply by its existence.
Not only its a honey-pot of art, it’s also a challenge for any self proclaimed ai “prompt kiddie” to hurt the other side.
They need to apply better protections to at least make mass scraping by bots a bit more difficult and expensive.
It’s kind of an intractable problem though. The more “protected” the art is, aka restricted from the public, the harder it is to actually show human beings.
I think the only practical solution would be “prints only.” Archive the digital copy, display the prints in museums… not to replicate Instagram.
You can tell just by their tone that they know what they’re doing is immoral and wrong, but they still do it. Hard to not become a misanthrope living in this society.
Tbh, that was bound to happen. At least the author is stupid enough to come forward and get in the prime spot for cyber bullying
This isn’t just about scraping the images, it’s about sending the message
That he’s a modern script kiddie.
Well I was gonna go tell them to off themselves in a plethora of colorful ways on reddit, but it seems their account was banned lol.
WTF
Actually. I have a hot take.
Forgive me… But the solution is not to replicate Instagram. Which is what Cara does.
Nor DeviantArt, either.
That’s never going to work, for precisely the above reason, and many others.
This is something that’s bothered me immensely about photography (which I’m getting back into as a hobby). Because, for all the “taking a stand” the community does, what do they do en masse?
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Subscribe to Adobe
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Live on Instagram
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Worship corporate influencers.
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Upload stuff to clouds that the privacy policy says will be used to train.
Just to start.
It infuriates me.
I’m all for the anti-slop stands, but the bulk of the community has precisely zero leg to stand on, if they’re just going to fork over cash hand-and-fist to feed the beasts, and spend all their time on those platforms.
So what do we do?
Make prints. Display them! It can be in museums, festivals, meet ups, in your place, on the street, literally anywhere you want. Even if its on digital screens; as long as its in person, and the digital copy is squirreled away.
And that’s if you feel strongly about the training thing. Personally, I’m more inclined to just post stuff under a permissive license places like Wikipedia could use (albeit not on Instagram).
To be clear, I don’t mean to lump everyone into that. There’s tons of photographers outside that bubble.
…But there are a ton in it, and they happen to be the loudest complainers.
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“We are the Swarm. We consume all.”
“Need a light?” - Terran Firebat quote from Starcraft 1. :)
(It’s just that there was also a swarm in the StarCraft game, and it’s just a joke — I’m not hinting at anything.)
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It’s like with software cracking scene: It’s a challange!
I’ll admit that a comment in here doubting he’s close to removing nightshade made me curious about how it works and how to defeat it as a technical challenge. Though I’d need to use windows or Mac to play around with it. Though it sounds like it requires fairly in depth knowledge of both how stable diffusion works as well as what it’s doing and my interest is already falling.
