In spite of the demonstration videos of robots running and jumping and carrying boxes and slowly sorting packages, none of them are anywhere close to being ready to handle construction jobs, or most manufacturing jobs. And, they can’t design or make the machines that automate the processes.
It’s a billionaire’s dream that this is happening now, it’s not. One of the major hurdles is power consumption, as we’re all seeing while they build out these “data centers”. Robots and computers cannot match the efficiency and self-sufficiency of a human. In a picture:
Nurses.
Watch nurses next time you’re in hospital. They do 8 million things, unprompted, throughout their day. Robots would blow their power load and collapse if they had to do a tenth the things nurses do.
Have you tried firing all the nurses and just not giving anyone healthcare?
In the US, we just pay nurses shit and then treat them like shit. It’s amazing we have any left.
Easy solution: Threaten immigrants with deporting them, actually deport half their families…the remaining ones will do anything just not to be deported. No wonder capitalists tend to fund right wing parties
Evil begets evil, I guess. I really hate it.
I live in Canada and nurses make really good money, more than Canadian RNs, in several states. Like you can make over a hundred grand a year. That’s not really bad at all for four years education.
Nurses absolutely deserve what they make but it is not really poor pay that is their biggest issue. More like an unsafe patient load.
gonna be honest. I work with money. I see what nurses and MDs get paid. You don’t make what you should. guess what? no one does. You make more per hour and per year than more skilled people in more skilled fields doing more difficult work. why are you complaining about what you make?
unless you want to pretend medicine is the hardest thing out there, which i assure you, it’s not.
I’m not a nurse, but you keep on shitting on people for no good reason
nurses and doctors being overpaid compared to comparably skilled people given the state of the economy where we’re all underpaid, and yet they fairly consistently get on the internet to whine how they went to SCHOOL and so they should be MILLIONAIRES not like their patients?
No, what will happen instead is they’ll get rid of half of the nurses and the ones they keep will be responsible for 16 million things. My agency is going through it right now. They fired one of our APNs and gave all her duties to our other one. She’s already overwhelmed to the point of crying in the office.
I think the plan is to replace nurses with just letting people die instead.
Only the poor people.
Nah, they have plans to replace them with realistic sexdolls instead.
Nurses do have an especially varied and high-demand job but literally everyone does a million things every day that AI can’t, and in it’s current iteration could never do. Very very few people will actually lose their job to “AI” in the next decade, although many probably have to its false promises, and many more will because of the huge economic crash when businesses finish figuring this out.
Now perhaps. But in 20 years?
Rich people will own all the nurses and everyone else will be left to fend for themselves in the wastes?
Bold to assume we’ll have access to the wastes.
Eh. Modern cpus make over a trillion calculations per second. Number of tasks or thoughts isn’t really the way to win this.
Okay? A CPU can’t fuckin toilet a patient lol.
Sure. That’s just a component. By itself it can’t do anything at all. It’s like saying your tooth can’t toilet a person. But it should be sort of glaringly obvious that AI and robotics have grown insanely in just the last 15 or so years. That’s not likely to just suddenly stop, especially since way more of the world’s finances and companies are working to push them as quickly as possible than have been behind pushing any technology advance ever.
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely hate AI and think the AI companies should be burned and all that shit ended for good. But I don’t see the powers of the world agreeing with that, and in another 15 or so years I’d be fairly surprised to not see some form of AI controlled robotic assistant replacing nurses. And pretty much everything people try to insist is ‘safe’.
I remember when it was just as laughable for a phone to dial itself, anything to update itself, computers to write code, etc.
This doesn’t show that AI won’t eventually be constructing buildings. It just shows you’re laughing that a thing that’s pretty much certain to happen will never be possible.
Yeah, robotics and AI aren’t at a point where they can build a row of houses with zero humans involved… that doesn’t say that won’t happen “eventually.”
The vast majority of technology we use daily was unrealistic science fiction just 50 years ago and completely insane to consider much farther back than that.
I believe BMW and others are already operating humanoid robots that work in a factory setting doing tasks a typical machinist would do right now.
Just imagine in 10+ years when the frontier agent models get optimized enough, or more effectively streamed into the robotics and the robotics are robust enough to handle “heavy lifting” tasks. I don’t think there is much some combination of AI and robotics can’t do. Other than suffering the soon to come mass poverty… They’ll never be able to do that.
Quite. As soon as robotics and AI reach a point where they can take care physically creating the needs and wants of the uber wealthy… that’s bad.
Any time the idea of UBI comes up I think it’s way more likely for them to decide 99% of us are now redundant and that some convenient pathogen/disease that they have access to a cure for the rest of the world doesn’t know exists would be a fantastic way to get rid of us before we form giant mobs to demand equality. As an added benefit, having ~7.9 billion less humans in the world and no longer needing to produce food or goods for them would reduce pollution and emissions on a massive scale, helping the global environment while also getting rid of all the clutter ruining the views at the nicest beaches.
They’ll still need some of us to boss around and feel superior to, not to mention to breed attractive children for their enjoyment. Just a small enough number broken between enough locations on the planet to get the odds of large scale physical resistance as low as they can.
It’s literally what I tell my friend who seems to be convinced they’ll suddenly be altruistic… Like dude, you’re saying the very same people that fight any form of taxation whatsoever will magically be ok with “giving away” their wealth to people who do no work? They’d rather start a new company to make more money that just films nation wide “bum fights” as they treat us as entertainment, fighting over a chance to eat, than they would give anything for a UBI.
One of the weird things that came out about Covid was that they were doing research on Gain of Function… actively trying to make the disease more transmissible specifically in humans. That isn’t a fantastic line of research.
Knowing that’s a thing that large, well funded places are still researching, the idea that a more deadly disease that transmits through humans even easier could be created along with a vaccine to prevent the disease before it ever becomes public is way, way less unrealistic than I wish it were.
A handful of ultra wealthy folk could fully fund that in secret behind strict NDAs very easily. Hell, one of them could. The same people making policies that their AI should sex chat with kids to increase the kids usage time, visiting rape islands, saying only the extremely wealthy should vote… fuck, some of the Epstein files directly involve conversations about that topic. I think that’s one of the conversations Bill Gates was part of. How to get rid of poverty in the the world by getting rid of the poor folk.
But you can’t even discuss it with most people without seeming like a batshit insane, tinfoil hat conspiracy nut. Bit frustrating.
Developing mass bioweapons to be used on the same planet they need to live on is nothing but pure hubris. Who is to say that the disease won’t evolve to be even worse and the vaccine rendered worthless? I wouldn’t think they’d necessarily come out ahead if they’re forced to quarantine for a long time and rebuild humanity from nothing (assuming they don’t die themselves).
But I don’t have the kind of ego they do either, so maybe they think they’d be fine either way.
If you haven’t read about Zuckerburg’s underground bunker, it’s like a fully stocked 5,000 sqft mansion. Lots of the billionaires are building underground doomsday mansions lately. Peter Thiel, Bill Gates, and Sam Altman are some of the names I know offhand, but there are reports that many silicon valley executives are doing the same thing.
It wouldn’t be a wonderful way to spend the massive amount of time needed for the outside world to recover from nuclear fallout, and they’re all building small shelters for individual families and their slaves, not the sort of larger community that would require. On the other hand they would be fantastic places to spend a few short years while an extremely transmissible deadly virus removes the bulk of the redundant humans cluttering up the world. The virus won’t be able to live long outside of a human host, so if the transmission and mortality rates are high enough it really wouldn’t take all that long for it to be safe to come out from hiding.
The bunkers all have extensive surveillance of the entire above ground region, so even if large scattered patches of humans survive they’ll be able to be sure none of them are lurking around before hand.
Plus they’ve decided it’s a great idea to combine AI, drones, and murder, so it’s not like they’ll be counting on a lot of henchmen with guns who could easily turn on them. AI is currently getting loads of training data right now on how to most accurately target the children in gaza who “look like they could use some food the most” and learning how keeping their center of mass in the happy food scope means they never see that same hungry child again.
Hooray for the future!
The bunkers certainly help them survive a bioweapon pandemic, but then what would be next? Would they have the means to rebuild all of the supply chains in an almost completely automated way? Would they have the means to create new humans in such a way that leaves enough genetic diversity to survive other diseases that will stay in the world?
Of course they could have access to all the technology left over from before the said pandemic, but it doesn’t mean much if there aren’t enough people/machines to utilize them and keep them fixed. They would have to go without a lot of things like convenient private jet travel and complex manufacturing. This is not even mentioning when the food/medicine inevitably runs out.
This isn’t to argue against you, just me wondering if they would take those kinds of risks. IMO they are probably too comfortable with what they have to rebuild everything rather than just capturing current governments and creating corporate dictatorships. If they screw up the former badly enough, we will be extinct after all.
Increasingly, they’re trying to get it to design the building.
I’m having to double-check credentials in my plan reviews because contractors have started turning in plans with AI-generated architect and engineering stamps because they don’t want to pay a professional to prepare their plans.
How can they use AI for an engineering review? Wouldn’t an actual licensed engineer have to sign off on the building?
I work for the city. Contractors are faking stamps to pretend there’s an engineer to get a permit.
Lots of municipalities are overloaded and they’ll just accept a stamp and approve the project. I do not. We review the engineering.
No one wants to pay anymore
Part of the problem is corporations have squeezed so much money out of all our systems that there is none left unless you start cutting corners. So that is what people will do.
The construction industry is one of the most heavily automated and mechanized industries in existence. We just don’t think about things like “back hoe”, “crane”, “nail gun” or “concrete plant” as forms of automation because they have been around for so long, but they have all replaced more manual aspects of construction processes.
And further automation will continue. We probably don’t even need humanoid robots. For instance, a robotic ironworker, instead of a humanoid robot, could be a module bolted on to a back hoe or other hoist.
By the time AI is capable of finishing buildings it will choose to eradicate us instead.
I was at enough construction sites to know it would be quite trivial to automate at least laying bricks with some programmable robots. Less skilled workers are already taught on the construction sites how it’s done, to help out masons. Same with roof tiles, you only need to look out for chimneys and edges.
And in our hellscape, it will just lead to forcing out a large portion of workers, make them work even more for even less, then a second round of layoffs can go.
Is “AI” the new “automation”?
No
Hey ChatGPT, tell me about Brian Hood.
It can’t draw dicks and write racial slurs all over the Porto potties with sharpie either
A.I. is not just computer code. It’s an artificial mind. Once they figure out how to dump that into a robot that doesn’t faceplant everytime it tries to do something useful, the trades are cooked.
