Yes, I’ll just trust the AI to help me fuck around with grid voltage levels.
With google search results becoming so poor, I guess I need to look into kagi or duck-duck. Pain in my dick, motherless goatfucking, horsehit-happy asshole, corporate varmints gotta fuck it all up for more profit. I’m tired, yo.
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My father just ruined some PCB while soldering because Gemini told him what to do.
I’m sure there’s many more cases that are worse and we simply do not know about.
Recommendation - if you are using AI for search, avoid whatever Google is using for “Google” search. It is a highly efficient, fast model that is often far from accurate and easily confused - not to mention its context window is extremely limited.
In fairness to AI, I personally wouldn’t trust forum posts on this subject matter either, only written documentation or a professional.
Only trust the data sheet from the manufacturer. Only if listed in compliance with your use case. Trust nothing else. All other options will kill you
Pain in my dick, motherless goatfucking, horsehit-happy asshole, corporate varmints
Off topic, but that’s a nice spattering of invective you got there, OP. Well done. I genuinely appreciate a well-crafted compound insult.
Duckduck with ai turned off is pretty decent.
IronFox has a DuckDuckGo (No AI) mode.
- has already killed many
forget about just being outright wrong all the fucking time, you can ask this piece of shit a very simple yes/no question and it will change its answer constantly when you do so much as refresh the page. its actually baffling to me. duckduckgo has search ai, and somehow theirs works fine enough %90 of the time and won’t change its answer with each page refresh. DDG is doing search ai better than Google, the third biggest company in the world who may as well own the internet, AND YOU CAN JUST TURN THE DDG AI OFF. Big tech are so embarrassingly incompetent.
Just switch your search engine already.
when will they be held liable for this shit?
That fucking banchode.
I would not trust this result with my Rigol. Or my fingers.
Scopes needed to be able to deal with kV levels back in the time of tube TVs, but they used different probes for that, IIRC. The highest voltage level I have ever used on a scope were 48V.
The info in the screenshot actually souds correct for most rigols - still, not a trustworthy source of info. RTFM :)
Or ask someone who actually knows, yes.
Kagi is great. I have realized that I prefer that I’m paying with my money instead of my personal information to use it.
And I was able to use their free tier pretty effectively for awhile, until I got to the point where I was consistently exceeding the free monthly searches. Plus I feel good supporting them.
Ai can’t do the NEC worth a shit. I tell everyone. Electricians will be around for a long time.
I asked Andi at least it suggest to contrast it by yourself in the mencioned sources after the summary
Rigol DS1202Z-E Maximum Input Voltage
The Rigol DS1202Z-E has a maximum input voltage of ±400 V (DC + peak AC) at the 1 MΩ input impedance setting, according to the EEVblog forum, which references the official Rigol performance verification procedure manual.
Note that this is a DC-plus-peak rating. At higher frequencies, input voltage limits typically derate, so the ±400 V figure applies at low frequencies. The EEVblog thread specifically discusses this frequency derating question, making it the most relevant source for anyone probing near the limits.
The DS1202Z-E is a 200 MHz, 2-channel oscilloscope on Rigol’s DS1000Z UltraVision platform, per Rigol NA. It includes deep memory, serial decode, and FFT.
For the full derating curve and exact specs at higher frequencies, the EEVblog forum thread is the best starting point, though the site was returning a CAPTCHA at time of search. Consulting the official Rigol DS1202Z-E datasheet or performance verification manual directly will give the authoritative derating table.
Sources: EEVblog Forum, Rigol NA
Don’t be so hard on Gemini.
It is accurately warning you that this meter is safe to use on 277 volts (actually 300 - but that’s an odd voltage) and below. It’s telling you not to use it on 480+,1 kv,…
Ignore the prompt request for safe use at your own peril!
Fuck ‘gemini’. I don’t trust a glorified chat bot with life and death advice. Don’t be simping for a chatbot ran by an objectively evil corpo.
I don’t care what the actual max voltage is. That search was a shortcut to find the manufacturer spec summary while looking at third party probes. Not ‘gemini’s’ summary or anything else. I don’t want electrical, romance, or life advice from a chatbot. I want links to relevant resources.
Can’t help you there buddy.
Gemini correctly summarized the limitations of that item. If you can’t read that, then that’s on you. Gemini actually asked for your specific parameters. One might surmise that you shouldn’t be allowed near high voltage things to begin with if you can’t read basic limitations and refuse clarifications from Gemini.
- 32 year hvac/refrigeration tech.
I personally don’t give a shit wherher you trust Gemini or not. But it seems to me that you need remedial help with basic English and IEC standards.
Sorry. That’s not on Gemini. That’s on you.
I don’t give a fuck if it summarized the specs correctly. It’s been proven to be wrong often enough that trusting it to be correct when dealing with life and death issues is foolish.
I searched a basic spec to get a link to a manufacturer spec list. The bot offfered to vet my setup for safety. It seems you’re suggesting that it’s a good idea to listen to a chatbot for high voltage safety advice.
I’m not the one with the comprehension issue here.
I didn’t ask for high voltage safety tips from a chatbot. It offered them. If you don’t think that’s dangerous and wildly irresponsible, you’re being disingenuous at best and willfully ignorant at worst.
- 25 year machinist including maintenance
It’s not me that’s going to be killed. it’s people that don’t know enough to not trust a fucking chat bot. Do you really trust a bot to explain ground loops, isolation transformers, and floating test equipment? If so, I feel real bad for any kids you might be training.
Absolutely, totally trust it. It will give me multiple citations. I can look them up.
It was pretty specific! DON’T USE THIS ABOVE 300 VOLTS! AI: “If you have any questions about how you’re going to use it, just ask me”.
AI Mode All Products Visual matches Here is a highly technical, multi-layered question about nuclear power plant operations, thermodynamics, and safety systems. The Challenge During a sudden Load Rejection (a complete disconnect from the electrical grid) from 100% full power at a Westinghouse 3-loop Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR), the turbine control valves slam shut immediately. Assuming the Reactor Trip System (RTS) fails to automatically actuate due to a mechanical binding of the control rods—initiating an Anticipated Transient Without Scram (ATWS) event—answer the following three-part question: Thermodynamic Feedback: Explain the immediate (<30 seconds) chronological response of the Core Reactivity (Δ ρ). Specifically, address how the competing effects of the Fuel Doppler Temperature Coefficient and the Moderator Temperature Coefficient (MTC) interact as primary coolant temperature and pressure rapidly spike. Overpressure Protection: The Pressurizer Power Operated Relief Valves (PORVs) and Safety Valves will lift to mitigate the primary system pressure spike. If the primary pressure exceeds the secondary side steam generator pressure, what critical heat transfer phenomenon is threatened on the primary side of the steam generator tubes, and what are the implications for fuel cladding integrity? Emergency Mitigation: Since the control rods failed to insert, operators must initiate Emergency Boration. Why is a highly concentrated boric acid solution injected into the Reactor Coolant System (RCS) effective at shutting down the fission chain reaction even when the coolant is at peak transient temperatures, and which specific isotope is doing the heavy lifting? Take your time to break down the neutronics, thermal-hydraulics, and plant systems involved. When you are ready, let me know your answer or which part you want to tackle first, and I can validate your response or provide the detailed technical solution.
Do you understand that?
Is that Gemini’s fault that you didn’t understand that?
AI Mode response is ready
