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just gonna post the same comment I made last time this was posted:
the lemmyworlds and their orbiters are gonna be upset about this one
Did you open a history book in your life? Violence is always the answer
❌️ “Violence is morally bad”
❌️ “Violence is morally good”
✅️ “Morality isn’t real and violence simply Is.”
Violence is not the answer. Violence is the question. The answer is “Yes”
Sad thing is that Ukraine wouldn’t have gotten nearly as much support if it looked like they had no chance of winning, or at least resisting.
I think the diplomatic logic is what’s the point in supporting a loser - your support doesn’t change anything and when they lose you’re on the winners shit list. If you support a winner then you may have a beneficial relationship in the future.
Ukraine never had a chance to win militarily, the plan was to strangle Russia by sanctions and it had the chance of succeeding, just the USA intelligence fucked up (not the first not last time, look: Iran) and did not noticed or underestimated Russia efforts to diversify its exports, and global south, mainly China and India, not wanting to be next ones on the US empire chopping block.
Doesn’t really work like that. Russians are not less white than Ukrainians but their ultranationalist ideas are not nearly as supported in the West.
(Not saying Russian ultranationalism is better in any regard)
It does because whiteness is a social construct, Slavs were never considered white by anglos and germans ruling classes, they just get the temporary status when they lick the anglo/german boot and are used as cannon fodder against other Slavs.
I like how Russia itself is now pushing the agenda of being completely different from western countries while culturally being obvisously European. Soviet culture does differ a whole lot from Capitalist culture of the time, but apart from that Russia is not much different from, say, Italy if you compare the two with Japan.
Also it’s always made me laugh how the term “White” has nothing to do with actual whiteness. I remember being in shock when I learned Asians aren’t considered to be white. Like have you seen Japanese or Korean people? They are whiter than many Europeans.
Ukraine was invaded, and Palestine was invaded so yeah both has the right to defend themselves
What should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing weapons and troops on its border?
That’s what Zionists said about Egypt. I they claimed an imminent threaten from the Egyptian army amassing in the borders
When was Egypt both a part of NATO (the most prolific invader in the world), and also attempting to attack Pissrael on its behalf?
I am going to ask again - what should a state do in such a situation?
Egypt was never attempting to attack Israel, but I am just saying they created a fake excuse, having a base doesn’t mean there will be an eminent attack. I believe in economical and diplomatic preasure until there is a real eminent threat
Egypt was never attempting to attack Israel
And it was never trying to help NATO amass their troops to attack Pissrael.
So, in short, you brought up a completely irrelevant event and keep refusing to answer the original question.having a base doesn’t mean there will be an eminent attack.
Ah yes, the most prolific invader in the world, while being known for attacking after amassing troops for such attacks, is apparently not likely to do so in this particular case is what you are saying.
I believe in economical and diplomatic preasure until there is a real eminent threat
What “economical” and “diplomatic” pressure was Russia able to put on NATO without crippling itself?
Again, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world (which Egypt is not) starts amassing weapons and troops on that state’s border?
the most prolific invader in the world is the terrorist state of Israel which also have good relation with Russia. It is relevant to say that both used the same excuse to invade . We all know that both consider the people they occupy fake and claim that the perspective identity of Palestinians and Ukrainians do not existing
the most prolific invader in the world is the terrorist state of Israel
Pissrael is de facto a part of NATO, and is controlled from Washington. So, in addition to Pissrael’s Lebensraum, NATO is responsible for things like the invasions of Iran, Venezuela, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, and many, many other places (at least some of them - multiple times since 1950).
which also have good relation with Russia.
And yet, Russia does have friendly relations with the Palestinian resistance, and NATO does not.
It is relevant to say that both used the same excuse to invade .
It’s not.
You were asked a question about what a state should do when militarily threatened by the most prolific invader in the world, and, for some reason, brought up Egypt of all polities.We all know that both consider the people they occupy fake and claim that the perspective identity of Palestinians and Ukrainians do not existing
Except, there has been 0 evidence of contemporary Russia conducting a genocide (either in this case, or before), unlike what NATO has been doing.
Again, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world (which Egypt is not) starts amassing weapons and troops on that state’s border?
Also, it is quite silly how you excuse Ukraine’s invasions of Iraq, Syria, and Iran.
Why too simplistic:
Palestine got invaded, ethnically cleaned and massively murdered for decades.
Ukraine was cultural a divided country where West and Russia alike used one band or the other to rein power on the entire country. However in 2014 the West overstep the pro-West, pro-Russia alternation with a Coup. Immediately 1/3 of the country got itself completely disfranchised (no vote, no representation, no even could speak its language) and a civil war ensured and then even that 1/3 got without no pensions or services. The sad thing is that the coup was not even needed since Viktor Yanukovych was going to be voted out in just 11 months, but Washington was not having it and needed its coup to put the alternation to an end and be able to make its long-wished constitutional changes to Ukraine . The rest is history.
Russia is not saint here, not at all, but Russia did get invaded and massacred multiple times by the West and every single time through Ukraine… I think if Moscow have a bit if concern it is perfectly warranted. Ukraine should have done what Finland did in 1940s-2010s, side with the West but full warranties to Russia of being fully Neutral and away from NATO.
When Putin keep talking about how Ukraine is a artificial state and keep claiming that Ukrainians are just Russian by mentioning Kyivan Rus , I can’t accept his claim that he is invading Ukraine for security reasons. Kyivan Rus was built in the 9th centuries, the ancestors of modern Ukrainians were distinct, indigenous tribes who had already built thriving settlements and founded the city of Kyiv by the 5th century.
Not a Putin fan, but that speech is taken out of context. He was making the point their history is very interlinked, and that it is hard to argue (Northern Ireland is indeniable Ireland, but its history is very related to UK so a compromise was made to maintain peace, can you imagine if Catholics forbid Protestants to vote there?) . Funny enough, most of Ukraine land was acquired/given to Ukraine while it was under some sort of Moscow’s dominance. The original Ukraine was just a territorial fraction of what it is today. Ukraine should
Again, in the ideal world, Ukraine should have full autonomy to decide its future, but the Washington and Moscow alike did not like that. I am Ukrainian, would work for a neutrality formula. US does the same with Cuba and Venezuela and US has 0% chances of being invaded by Chine through any of those 2 countries.
What I do notice is the irrational hatred of thinking the other as sub-human… I saw that behavior far, far more in Ukrainians than I did with Russians (at least till 2024).
I watched the whole interview with Tucker , I i don’t think it is out to context . I see no other interpretation to saying a country or state is artificial same to how israel call the west bank as Judea and Samaria and claim that Palestinians do not exists to justify what they do
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Send both of them every tank in existence.
It gets messier when you remember that the current government of Ukraine is an ally of the Zionist entity and is providing air defense expertise to the perpetrators of the Gaza genocide, as well as participating in America’s aggression towards Iran. So while I understand the instinct, the unfortunate blunt reality is that these two sides are diametrically opposed.
Russia is also the ally of Israel
I’m not gonna get into this with a tankie
Make like June 4, 1989 and never happen
Literally no one denies that June 4, 1989 happened. What we disagree on is what happened.
Make like June 4, 1989 and never happen
Nice strawman.
Lowkey it was funny though, haven’t heard that one before
It’s a bit too wordy imo to be an effective stand in for “fuck off” imo lacks flow and rhythm.
I’m sorry I can’t hear you over the Firewall.
Sorry I don’t speak insufferable Reddit dork you’ll have to translate it or fuck off.
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Dork
Fuck off
It’s that winning combination of perfectly ignorant and perfectly smug about it that makes you people so odious. Enjoy being on the Nazi side of World War 3 I suppose. Just don’t say you weren’t warned, because you’re being warned right now.
Blah blah blah
Free Tibet.
Already did
Nice crashout.
