• glorkon@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I despise anyone who becomes a soldier of their own free will. The moment you enlist, you accept that you could be obliged to kill, and that you will have no control over whether that killing will be justified.

    In other words, you accept the possibility that you could become a murderer.

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    3 months ago

    The media will hype “the troops” while ignoring the fact that “the troops” are being killed for oil, to make billionaires richer.

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      3 months ago

      it’s worse that that: a sizeable percentage of the troops know that they’re killing innocent people, but doing it anyways because of orders.

      some try to make up for it after committing those monstrous acts, but i doubt that’s possible since their voices are just as muted as any leftist.

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      3 months ago

      If we had free college tuition and universal healthcare, there would be no one to fight the pedo oligarchs’ wars for them.

      Which is why republicans and centrist democrats oppose both free tuition and universal healthcare.

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      So much this. The same people saying “thank you for your service” are the same people that constantly want to cut veteran services. Sure they care when you’re a tool for their goals, but why can’t you then just instantly become an invisible member of society once you’re done?

      Oh, you want more?! Wasn’t service enough for you? How dare you be traumatized by killing people and having bombs nearly blow you up! Maybe you should be a man.

      But maybe I’m just too sensitive about this…

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        3 months ago

        There’s no contradiction here. The US military exists to preserve and extend capitalism. Taking care of veterans would be socialist. Being abandoned by the state, as soon as you no longer serve a purpose for generating profit, is the best way to say thank you. It shows that everything you fought for is successful and working better than ever!

  • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
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    I know the nuance will be hard for some. So I will start by saying that I am very against the actions of our government, and have been since a pretty young.

    But, the vast majority of our troops are in the military because it was the best or maybe only option to make a living. And that is the way the government design the economy. They make sure people have no or few other choices.

    Now compare what the military is doing to distract from the epstien files to what the billionaire class is doing. Then look at who you work for. Odds are your job in some way supports the very people who made epstien possible. So we are all complicit. Yet we all have little choice but to work. So instead of pointing your anger at someone who just like you is complicit. Point it at the people actually responsible.

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      3 months ago

      Drug dealers and mobsters are often in it because that’s their viable option for social mobility. Therefore I will give soldiers the same respect owed to drug dealers and mobsters. All accept the reality of maybe having murder innocents for some rich jackasses too.

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        3 months ago

        Hm, the percent of drug dealers and mobsters that don’t have an active combat like role is very very low. But the military has people like doctors and nurses among other very much non combat roles. So it isn’t really a fair comparison. And some people join the military to avoid becoming a drug dealer or mobster. It’s a step up, mostly because it is legal. And for some, they do one tour and then become productive members of society. That happens far less with drug dealers and mobsters. So at least give them the respect for choosing not to become a drug dealer or mobster.

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          3 months ago

          It is completely fair to to your weazel words that amount to: MY LIFE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE WORLD AND I WILL EVEN KILL INNOCENTS WITHOUT HESITATION, NOT TO PRESERVE IT BUT JUST TO IMPROVE IT SOMEWHAT. That is what they all signed up for, many soldiers proudly.

          Also mobs have a high amount of support personnel too and their master’s goals necessitate far less of slaughter of innocent civilians.

  • Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I understand the message here, but surely the remaining population could push for change while the military part worked down their contracts.