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Certified commie over here, salute to kittenzrulz123 o7
Taking the original image way literally for a sec, why did nobody question someone from US deciding if cambodia should be communist or not? Shouldn’t cambodians draw that line?
https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-3706966075/view
Australian election thingy actually.
Ok that actually makes more sense lmao. I appreciate the fact-check.
She made the original meme, haha.
Tbh, my comment got removed from worldnews.ml just for saying it makes you look extremly bad to be celebrating the deaths of US soldiers in yet another senseless war. I believe the average .ml user to be 15 years old.
US soldiers are not “uwu smol beans” just trying to get free healthcare.
They don’t deserve praise or sympathy for doing their job, which is to further the goals of US imperialists. They deserve accountability and scorn for every drone strike. Every blown up family. Every fucking village they’ve reduced to ash. They are not precious victims. They are the boot on the neck of the world. They are the monsters the children of the global south wake up to at night in terror.
Unlike you and most people trying to convince me every US soldier is a stormtrooper for the empire, I have family in the region and know people directly affected by this war.
I never said that US soldiers are innocent, I just don’t celebrate them dying because I think human life is valuable. Edgeposting online feels very cool but doesn’t do anything to end this conflict. If you were so against US imperialism you would do things like protest at home and tell you representatives you’re against it. Demonizing soldiers online is just childish and immature.
More US soldiers dying will also not let the conflict end sooner which would be the best outcome. Those dozens who have died so far will be replaced by others.
Doesn’t seem to me like this is an extremly pro-US position.
If you were so against US imperialism you would do things like protest at home and tell you representatives you’re against it.
This does not work lol
What, after 3 of these NoKings “”“protests”“” that there was no change whatsoever? The frog costumes doesn’t convince anyone. 3 paragraph signs doesn’t convince anyone.
it makes you look extremly bad to be celebrating the deaths of Nazi soldiers
You’re simply wrong. Celebrating the deaths of those who voluntarily signed up to be fascist stormtroopers raping, pillaging and war criming their way across the periphery is entirely reasonable. Especially for those of us outside the white supremacist western empire who the stormtroopers are intended to be sicked on.
those of us outside the white supremacist western empire
i suspect that we both can agree that the non-white racial makeup of the ice agents and republicans give the illusion that it’s not a “white” supremacist empire.
i agree with the sentiment shared in your comment and my only quibble is that using “white” – although accurate – detracts from the messaging and i wonder there’s a another term that can be used for the overwhelming majority of westerners that rely on superficial/popular understanding that the word “white” carries with it.
i suspect that we both can agree that the non-white racial makeup of the ice agents and republicans give the illusion that it’s not a “white” supremacist empire.
True however illusions do not change the fact that white supremacy is the bedrock upon which the western liberal hegemonic order is built. All it does is add to the imperative of pointing it out consistently so that said illusion cannot be used as the ideological veil it is intended to be.
i agree with the sentiment shared in your comment and my only quibble is that using “white” – although accurate – detracts from the messaging and i wonder there’s a another term that can be used for the overwhelming majority of westerners that rely on superficial/popular understanding that the word “white” carries with it.
I think it’s best to avoid ceding ground in the realm of thought to the reactionaries, instead focusing on forcing them to see reality as it is. That white is the designated ingroup of the current hegemonic empire.
I think it’s best to avoid ceding ground in the realm of thought to the reactionaries, instead focusing on forcing them to see reality as it is. That white is the designated ingroup of the current hegemonic empire.
i agree with this and i asked my question because the last half century in the west has made it abundantly clear that proselytizing this understanding is woefully inadequate against monied interests, yet most marxists agree that the public must be engaged in this manner nonetheless.
the shift we’ve been seeing in the most recent generations is entirely due to social media live streaming a genocide into peoples homes and now that, that same monied interest has (or are about to) effectively gate keep and capture social media; i fear that this shift will reverse back to the previous dynamic.
i agree with this and i asked my question because the last half century in the west has made it abundantly clear that proselytizing this understanding is woefully inadequate against monied interests, yet most marxists agree that the public must be engaged in this manner nonetheless.
As I understand it the issues in this regard in the west is not that the message or wording is wrong necessarily but simply that it is not accompanied with any action of note (for many reasons) which leaves Marxists mainly as preachers as opposed to leaders and teachers.
now that, that same monied interest has (or are about to) effectively gate keep and capture social media; i fear that this shift will reverse back to the previous dynamic.
Certainly possible but putting this particular genie back in it’s bottle might not be as easy as they wish especially given they are losing ground not only in the ideological front as the decay becomes impossible to ignore but also in material reality where again the decay of the empire and it’s knock on effects become harder and harder to swallow for the average denizen of the imperial core.
All that’s left to see is will the Marxists of the imperial core seize the moment or be swept aside by the rise of the fascists.
the 60% of americans who still don’t believe that the palestinians are being genocided despite that live streaming into their homes suggest that the genie never got the chance to leave the bottle and those same last few decades of the police, cia, fbi, etc. literally bombing, smearing, imprisoning, and executing leftists; along with our institutions providing legal cover for them to do so; also suggest that the imperialists have a winning formula that ensures that any sort of leftist movements die in their cradles.
add to that ice’s presence and european islamophobia taking root into their respective mainstreams also suggest that blame for the material decline will be overwhelmingly placed on the same classic scapegoats. so it seems less like a question of whether or not western marxists can sieze the moment and more like are there enough of them (and are they correctly experienced) to ever doing anything meaningful going forward.
The removal didn’t have an effect sadly you are incapable of learning.
Unlimited death to US soldiers fighting on the wrong side.
Won’t someone please think of the Nazi rapists 😔
Would you say the same thing about celebrating the deaths of Wehrmacht soldiers in World War 2? Why or why not?
congrats to the new dbzero tankies btw
i thought they were anarchists
doesn’t matter, still tankies. libs declare anyone who is too left leaning as scary murderous tankies.
tankie is not about what they believe in but how can we destroy their reputation so nobody listens to their actually effective anti-estabilishment rhetoric.
basically a meaningless term used by right wingers for demonization, not a real descriptor of political leaning.
Not for long after the Troika liberates them
Now I want a map of lemmy positions
just look at who defederates from whom and you’ll have it.
Literaly 19684 😔
i seriously dont understand this hardcore anti “tankie”-ism on some parts of lemmy
i understand banning fascists when theyre spreading hateful, discriminatory or/and genocidal rhetoric but what “tankies” believe in is just another political ideology
almost as if they’re right about something and liberal moderators are scared of people finding out about the truth 🤔
It’s spurned by liberal admins and mods usually. They can’t actually argue against us so they put their cognitive dissonance into an unhealthy place of self-soothing.
This actually isn’t unique to Lemmy at all it is the default reaction of committed liberals and liberals with thin skin. But when someone feels ownership of a place and like they’re losing legitimacy and control they can lash out.
It’s also important to understand that most people online discussing politics in these forums know basically nothing. They don’t read. They can’t critically engage with media. They don’t question their own biases when presented with people from other cultures. They certainly don’t actually do anything irl that would teach them visceral lessons. Trying to build an organization (not a career in a non-profit), a party, or even just feeding people. They might as well be 10 year olds for all the information contained in their political opinions. But they feel extremely entitled to their positions and wrap it up in their identities. If they are contradicted they feel personally attacked. If they think something despite having never investigated it, they announce it proudly with confidence and bully those who disagree. In short, humility runs counter to their socialization.
Finally, they’re used to punching right, or at least most of them are, and their rhetoric breaks down when they are instead forced to punch left. So they just start namecalling instead, banning, or just trolling, as it allows their egos to escape without much damage.
Luckily, we are looking at an echo chamber of people who automatically self-isolate and can’t organize anything. In the real world conversations are faster and more productive and building things and teaching is much easier, even with an audience that isn’t entirely friendly. Irl people usually can’t get away with acting like such babies.
feds 🌈
“The evil tankies have taken over Lemmy and our instances are next”
The evil tankies: “Who even are you”
We know that some people eventually work past their “fuck tankies” stage because we did. Most of us used to believe the same things and for the same reasons, because we grew up under largely the same conditions.
Actually I was never this insufferable.
Tankie is a disgruntled state of mind/interaction. A basic incompatibility.
Tankie is just a pejorative for those who support existing socialist states.
I have supported socialist states, said positive things about Vietnam and China on countless occasions and never been called a Tankie.
So I think there is a discussion and attitude element to it.
So I think there is a discussion and attitude element to it.
The same comment can be interpreted differently based on the author instance by liberals.
Do the same type of comment with an account on .ml and see if people will call you tankie or not.
Hermeneutics in action. Thanks, Losurdo!
What Losurdo wrote related to that? I never read anything from him(I suck at reading important shit).
It’s a common throughline in his writing, usually related to how we pervieve information based on our perception of the source. If the US says a country is evil, leftists might be suspicious of this claim and sometimes assume the opposite (to an extent), while conservatives would happily go along with it.
Depends on the audience, more than anything. Most socialists aren’t going to waste time calling each other a tankie.
Tankie is a thought-terminating cliché by liberals that can’t handle losing an argument and don’t know how else to punch left.
Funny how they all talk like 4chan chuds
Why do they all wanna be aviator glasses horseshoe baldness pocket polo glass of whiskey Cold War dads so badly?
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they gotta do SOMETHING now that their asset – tesseract – has been exposed. lol
