• bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    Tbh, my comment got removed from worldnews.ml just for saying it makes you look extremly bad to be celebrating the deaths of US soldiers in yet another senseless war. I believe the average .ml user to be 15 years old.

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      5 hours ago

      US soldiers are not “uwu smol beans” just trying to get free healthcare.

      They don’t deserve praise or sympathy for doing their job, which is to further the goals of US imperialists. They deserve accountability and scorn for every drone strike. Every blown up family. Every fucking village they’ve reduced to ash. They are not precious victims. They are the boot on the neck of the world. They are the monsters the children of the global south wake up to at night in terror.

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        Unlike you and most people trying to convince me every US soldier is a stormtrooper for the empire, I have family in the region and know people directly affected by this war.

        I never said that US soldiers are innocent, I just don’t celebrate them dying because I think human life is valuable. Edgeposting online feels very cool but doesn’t do anything to end this conflict. If you were so against US imperialism you would do things like protest at home and tell you representatives you’re against it. Demonizing soldiers online is just childish and immature.

        More US soldiers dying will also not let the conflict end sooner which would be the best outcome. Those dozens who have died so far will be replaced by others.

        Doesn’t seem to me like this is an extremly pro-US position.

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          If you were so against US imperialism you would do things like protest at home and tell you representatives you’re against it.

          This does not work lol

          What, after 3 of these NoKings “”“protests”“” that there was no change whatsoever? The frog costumes doesn’t convince anyone. 3 paragraph signs doesn’t convince anyone.

    • 秦始皇帝@lemmy.ml
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      it makes you look extremly bad to be celebrating the deaths of Nazi soldiers

      You’re simply wrong. Celebrating the deaths of those who voluntarily signed up to be fascist stormtroopers raping, pillaging and war criming their way across the periphery is entirely reasonable. Especially for those of us outside the white supremacist western empire who the stormtroopers are intended to be sicked on.

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        5 hours ago

        those of us outside the white supremacist western empire

        i suspect that we both can agree that the non-white racial makeup of the ice agents and republicans give the illusion that it’s not a “white” supremacist empire.

        i agree with the sentiment shared in your comment and my only quibble is that using “white” – although accurate – detracts from the messaging and i wonder there’s a another term that can be used for the overwhelming majority of westerners that rely on superficial/popular understanding that the word “white” carries with it.

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          i suspect that we both can agree that the non-white racial makeup of the ice agents and republicans give the illusion that it’s not a “white” supremacist empire.

          True however illusions do not change the fact that white supremacy is the bedrock upon which the western liberal hegemonic order is built. All it does is add to the imperative of pointing it out consistently so that said illusion cannot be used as the ideological veil it is intended to be.

          i agree with the sentiment shared in your comment and my only quibble is that using “white” – although accurate – detracts from the messaging and i wonder there’s a another term that can be used for the overwhelming majority of westerners that rely on superficial/popular understanding that the word “white” carries with it.

          I think it’s best to avoid ceding ground in the realm of thought to the reactionaries, instead focusing on forcing them to see reality as it is. That white is the designated ingroup of the current hegemonic empire.

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            I think it’s best to avoid ceding ground in the realm of thought to the reactionaries, instead focusing on forcing them to see reality as it is. That white is the designated ingroup of the current hegemonic empire.

            i agree with this and i asked my question because the last half century in the west has made it abundantly clear that proselytizing this understanding is woefully inadequate against monied interests, yet most marxists agree that the public must be engaged in this manner nonetheless.

            the shift we’ve been seeing in the most recent generations is entirely due to social media live streaming a genocide into peoples homes and now that, that same monied interest has (or are about to) effectively gate keep and capture social media; i fear that this shift will reverse back to the previous dynamic.

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              i agree with this and i asked my question because the last half century in the west has made it abundantly clear that proselytizing this understanding is woefully inadequate against monied interests, yet most marxists agree that the public must be engaged in this manner nonetheless.

              As I understand it the issues in this regard in the west is not that the message or wording is wrong necessarily but simply that it is not accompanied with any action of note (for many reasons) which leaves Marxists mainly as preachers as opposed to leaders and teachers.

              now that, that same monied interest has (or are about to) effectively gate keep and capture social media; i fear that this shift will reverse back to the previous dynamic.

              Certainly possible but putting this particular genie back in it’s bottle might not be as easy as they wish especially given they are losing ground not only in the ideological front as the decay becomes impossible to ignore but also in material reality where again the decay of the empire and it’s knock on effects become harder and harder to swallow for the average denizen of the imperial core.

              All that’s left to see is will the Marxists of the imperial core seize the moment or be swept aside by the rise of the fascists.

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                the 60% of americans who still don’t believe that the palestinians are being genocided despite that live streaming into their homes suggest that the genie never got the chance to leave the bottle and those same last few decades of the police, cia, fbi, etc. literally bombing, smearing, imprisoning, and executing leftists; along with our institutions providing legal cover for them to do so; also suggest that the imperialists have a winning formula that ensures that any sort of leftist movements die in their cradles.

                add to that ice’s presence and european islamophobia taking root into their respective mainstreams also suggest that blame for the material decline will be overwhelmingly placed on the same classic scapegoats. so it seems less like a question of whether or not western marxists can sieze the moment and more like are there enough of them (and are they correctly experienced) to ever doing anything meaningful going forward.

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      The removal didn’t have an effect sadly you are incapable of learning.

      Unlimited death to US soldiers fighting on the wrong side.

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      Would you say the same thing about celebrating the deaths of Wehrmacht soldiers in World War 2? Why or why not?