Funny how, as soon as an alternative is suggested, it has to solve everything immediately, but voting for genociders does not hold the same requirement.
Im sorry, did the genocide end?
We went from democrats covering their ears at the sound of protesters for Palestine, the democratic nominee yelling “I am speaking” against protesters, the democratic president siccing cops on peaceful protesters, to democrats having to at least pretend like they give a shit, if not outright actually give a shit. Receiving money from AIPAC is now a black mark, supporting Israel is one likewise in most areas. This would not have happened without Kamala losing. Your position seems to be “I’m sorry if the problem isn’t immediately solved by doing one thing, then what does it matter?” which is very fitting for someone who puts all their faith into voting, I suppose.
We are far closer to the genocide ending than we ever were under Biden. There is far more popular and international resistance towards Israel. This would not have happened if the democrats just got to keep on truckin’
One could ask the reverse however. Your side argues for the democrats as “harm reduction”, so lets look at the reduced harm we’ve gotten for voting for the “lesser evil” over the decades:
Roe v Wade overturned
Democrats support genocide
More money for the military
More wars
More money for cops
More surveillance
Still making the environment worse and worse
Still letting infrastructure fall apart, giving a good section of an already insufficient bill to military projects
Queer people thrown under the bus
BLM completely sidelined
The party tries to push out any and every “progressive” it can
No universal healthcare
Every election is between democrats (fascists) and fascists, and we have to vote for the democrats (fascists) otherwise democracy dies!
The fascists win the popular vote
Voter participation keeps falling
We destroy ACORN
We bail out bankers in financial crises
We fuck up and ignore COVID
So how’s that “lesser evil” going for you? How’s that “kicking the can down the road” going for you?
From my pov that is the ml stance as they have a very defeatist attitude. Particularly around voting.
How fucking ironic. You literally wrote off the Palestinian’s struggle as doomed to justify voting for the Democrats. And you’re calling MLs defeatists?
You just said the alternative to voting democrat was doing nothing. That’s like a picture perfect example of defeatism.
In your eyes “Hey let’s see if we can’t improve things somewhat!” is defeatist while “You have to vote for the democrats, no matter how much they suck, you have to, you cannot do anything else, there is nothing else to be done” is not defeatist. Look in the mirror, please.
fucking hell, how disgusting of you. Why not just say that you don’t care about Palestinians, that you just want to go back to brunch?
More over our previous opportunity to at least put a speed bump passed and it seems .ml wants to squander another.
LMAO! A “speed bump”? Wow, that’s the only thing you’d hope for concerning a genocide? To inconveniently slow it down just a little bit?
And if you think Trump is making the genocide worse and that it would be better under a democrat then you are dead fucking wrong. Joe Biden increased funding towards “Israel” significantly during his term, he vehemently defends “Israel” and refused to stop funding the genocide.
So how far along is your organizing to giving Israel its blow to end the war?
Better than voting for genocide and then hibernating for 4 years.
Soldiers have to live to fight another day. A speed bump helps with that, a thing .ml is unwilling to provide its allies.
In this case, a voter lives to sleep for another 4 years. That is not an ally.
Also honestly, you seem to be only replying to specific points and ignoring all else. Please reply to this too.
And if you think Trump is making the genocide worse and that it would be better under a democrat then you are dead fucking wrong. Joe Biden increased funding towards “Israel” significantly during his term, he vehemently defends “Israel” and refused to stop funding the genocide.
The Houthis are not mls and they are putting up far more.
Alright, then go join them? The houthis do more than the DNC as well, if that is all you care about.
If you want something immediate go do what it is you try to agitate others to do, like some sort of fed. Otherwise help build a feasible alternative instead of making attempts with this tired rhetorical cliché. You’re the only one arguing that whatever the alternative to supporting genocidal fascists is, has to be something with immediate visible results, no matter the long-term benefit. Go do some adventurism buddy.
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Funny how, as soon as an alternative is suggested, it has to solve everything immediately, but voting for genociders does not hold the same requirement.
We went from democrats covering their ears at the sound of protesters for Palestine, the democratic nominee yelling “I am speaking” against protesters, the democratic president siccing cops on peaceful protesters, to democrats having to at least pretend like they give a shit, if not outright actually give a shit. Receiving money from AIPAC is now a black mark, supporting Israel is one likewise in most areas. This would not have happened without Kamala losing. Your position seems to be “I’m sorry if the problem isn’t immediately solved by doing one thing, then what does it matter?” which is very fitting for someone who puts all their faith into voting, I suppose.
We are far closer to the genocide ending than we ever were under Biden. There is far more popular and international resistance towards Israel. This would not have happened if the democrats just got to keep on truckin’
One could ask the reverse however. Your side argues for the democrats as “harm reduction”, so lets look at the reduced harm we’ve gotten for voting for the “lesser evil” over the decades:
So how’s that “lesser evil” going for you? How’s that “kicking the can down the road” going for you?
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How fucking ironic. You literally wrote off the Palestinian’s struggle as doomed to justify voting for the Democrats. And you’re calling MLs defeatists?
You just said the alternative to voting democrat was doing nothing. That’s like a picture perfect example of defeatism.
In your eyes “Hey let’s see if we can’t improve things somewhat!” is defeatist while “You have to vote for the democrats, no matter how much they suck, you have to, you cannot do anything else, there is nothing else to be done” is not defeatist. Look in the mirror, please.
fucking hell, how disgusting of you. Why not just say that you don’t care about Palestinians, that you just want to go back to brunch?
LMAO! A “speed bump”? Wow, that’s the only thing you’d hope for concerning a genocide? To inconveniently slow it down just a little bit?
And if you think Trump is making the genocide worse and that it would be better under a democrat then you are dead fucking wrong. Joe Biden increased funding towards “Israel” significantly during his term, he vehemently defends “Israel” and refused to stop funding the genocide.
Joe Biden: “Were there not an Israel, United States would have to invent an Israel” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM
Kamala Harris was going to continue the genocide all the same, and when pushed back on this, she’d just say “I AM SPEAKING” like a fucking monster.
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Read theory and get organized.
Better than voting for genocide and then hibernating for 4 years.
In this case, a voter lives to sleep for another 4 years. That is not an ally.
Also honestly, you seem to be only replying to specific points and ignoring all else. Please reply to this too.
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Alright, then go join them? The houthis do more than the DNC as well, if that is all you care about.
If you want something immediate go do what it is you try to agitate others to do, like some sort of fed. Otherwise help build a feasible alternative instead of making attempts with this tired rhetorical cliché. You’re the only one arguing that whatever the alternative to supporting genocidal fascists is, has to be something with immediate visible results, no matter the long-term benefit. Go do some adventurism buddy.