• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    B-b-b-b-b-but China might, possibly, at some point in the future, try to reclaim Taiwan! Both sides! Two things true at once! Me speculating about something possibly happening is the exact same as the thing actually happening!

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      7 months ago

      Hasn’t China stated that they intend to reclaim Taiwan? Don’t they claim Taiwan as part of their country right now?

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        7 months ago

        There is no “claim” to be made and there is no “reclaim” to be had against such a claim.

        Taiwan is and always has been recognized as part of the country of China. That’s why the losing army in the civil war went there - because it was part of the country they were a party of.

        China has stated for 70 years that the island province of Taiwan will be integrated into the rest of the governance of the country. For 50 years it has explicitly stated it will be integrated peacefully, because the CPC recognizes that doing it forcefully would actually be contradictory and create a constant guerilla warfare situation as well as invite the world’s militaries to intervene. The CPC has no intention of forcing Taiwan to integrate except if Taiwan works with foreign governments to establish a substantial and real threat to the security of the mainland.

        If China waits long enough, the Western economies will collapse and Taiwan will very quickly and easily realize that the West just can’t support them anymore and when they look to see who they depend on for nearly everything, and who their relatives are and who their dominant trading partner and who can protect them militarily, it’s going to be an easy process of integrating the provincial government of Taiwan into the government of the mainland - especially since the CPC is committed to One Country Two System meaning the provincial government of Taiwan can continue operating with the same structure and same politicians and same processes as it has now.

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        7 months ago

        Yes, as they have since the war, just as Taiwan claims China. Your point?

        Peace with Taiwan has been maintained for nearly a hundred years, with a mutual understanding that nobody would try to force the issue too hard (look up “strategic ambiguity”). In recent years, the US has been recklessly deviating from that understanding and now people treat the status quo as “Chinese aggression,” because of propaganda.

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        7 months ago

        China seeks to reclaim Taiwan as part of China for the same reason Taiwan seeks to reclaim the mainland as part of China.

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    7 months ago

    China is very vocal about taiwan being theirs.

    Edit: Insane how much this this one factual statement has been interpreted.

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      Both the PRC and ROC (Taiwan) claim sovereignty over all of China. Neither considers the island of Taiwan to be distinct from China, the question is over which government has legitimate sovereignty over all of China, and the overwhelming consensus globally is that it’s the PRC. Taiwan’s government is made up of the ones that lost the Chinese Civil War and fled to the island, slaughtered resistance, and have been protected by the west.

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          Taiwan claims the mainland is theirs, the mainland claims Taiwan is theirs, because both claim to be the legitimate government of all of China, and Taiwan is a part of China.

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          Taiwan exists only because the US intervened to stop the fascists it supported in the civil war from being wiped out, so it’s necessarily a US protectorate/puppet.

          And to circle back again to your question, no it couldn’t be; they killed the people who were there before they moved in.

    • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      A closer analogy would be: Imagine that after losing the Civil war, the Confederates flee to Puerto Rico, kill tens of thousands of people there for being “yankee sympathizers”, and establish 40 years of martial law while claiming to be the true and rightful government of the entire continental US.

      • freagle@lemmy.ml
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        7 months ago

        Still not a good analogy because Puerto Rico was never a state of the USA. It would be more like if Long Island had been invaded by England and occupied after England beat the US in a war, and then the US had a war to kick the English off long island and then had a civil war immediately afterward and the loser fled to Long Island and said “we are the rightful government of the USA” and then Spain came by and started arming the fuck out of them while the loser of the civil war ran a fascist dictatorship for 40 years and killed tens of thousands of its own people for ever saying “maybe we could just negotiate a final surrender?”

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      7 months ago

      It’s more akin to the US claiming the ex confederate southern states (which it does), and other countries being “strategically ambiguous” and selling the Confederate remnants weapons and promoting their independence while officially recognizing the US/Washington

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        Greenland as strategig against Rusia and China is anyway a stupid argument, due tthat Alaska is separated by 4 km from Rusia, in cold winters you can go walking from the US to Rusia, and China has only commercial trading interests with other countries, not imperialistic ones, like this orange piece of shit.