Right, sure, the point is just even if a Jew does hate Germans after the Holocaust it simply doesn’t have the political character of nazi antisemitism.
Sorry, I don’t really see the connection between this article and the discussion here, or rather, how it would say that they’d be the same. In my mind rather the opposite. Good read though.
One does not wish, in short, to be told by an American Jew that his suffering is as great as the
American Negro’s suffering. It isn’t, and one knows that it isn’t from the very tone in which he
assures you that it is.
If Palestinians would hate Jews (using the term antisemitism here feels a bit out of place since Palestinians are the Semites) there wouldn’t somehow be a new Holocaust.
It would just be comparable to white-people hate by Africans. Or Algerians hating French people. Or… Jews hating Germans.
Of course. The primary difference being oppressor vs. oppressed. Same as how in the US white supremacy just isn’t the same as a black person that’s sick of white people.
Though I do want to emphasize that it’s a trope by and for the oppressor to speculate about how they have to keep oppressing or else the oppressed will get revenge. There’s a very limited rhetorical toolbox for liberal ethnic supremacists and it hasn’t changed much in 400 years.
Right, sure, the point is just even if a Jew does hate Germans after the Holocaust it simply doesn’t have the political character of nazi antisemitism.
No it’s exactly the same.
https://nykolami.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/2017/12/James-Baldwin-Article.pdf
Sorry, I don’t really see the connection between this article and the discussion here, or rather, how it would say that they’d be the same. In my mind rather the opposite. Good read though.
The point is that it’s not 1940 anymore and Jews are no longer oppressed. In fact they’re a very privileged minority nowadays.
Or as James Baldwin said 70 years ago:
If Palestinians would hate Jews (using the term antisemitism here feels a bit out of place since Palestinians are the Semites) there wouldn’t somehow be a new Holocaust.
It would just be comparable to white-people hate by Africans. Or Algerians hating French people. Or… Jews hating Germans.
I’m really not sure where we’re miscommunicating here, maybe you missed my “doesn’t”? As far as I can tell I’m arguing the exact same thing you are.
My bad then I’ve probably misread your first comment.
No it’s probably my fault for writing unclearly :)
Of course. The primary difference being oppressor vs. oppressed. Same as how in the US white supremacy just isn’t the same as a black person that’s sick of white people.
Though I do want to emphasize that it’s a trope by and for the oppressor to speculate about how they have to keep oppressing or else the oppressed will get revenge. There’s a very limited rhetorical toolbox for liberal ethnic supremacists and it hasn’t changed much in 400 years.
Totally agree.