🙄 I’m not any kind of liberal, I’m just not so black and white in my thinking that I believe Russia poses any kind of opposition to the global capitalist oligarchy (because they themselves are a capitalist oligarchy).
The fact of the matter is that both Russia and the US are working to further the aims of the billionaire technocracy that rules our planet, and I therefore consider shilling for either regime (or for the EU) to be despicable behaviour.
You guys consider yourselves communists but give support to capitalist states. Do better.
Russia is self-interested in opposing the imperialist system dominated by the US. It isn’t ideologically aligned with socialism, but it is practically aligned with socialists in overthrowing imperialism. The Russian bourgeoisie is nationalist, not imperialist, as there simply isn’t space for Russia to colonize as the west has the entire imperialized world under its thumb.
Capitalism and imperialism are essentially the same thing, lack of opportunity for imperialist projects is in no way evidence of opposition to imperialism. If you believe the elites in Russia have any ideological objections to imperialism then I have a bridge to sell you.
Nationalism (like all populist ideologies) exists purely as a means of controlling the masses, the oligarchs who control every capitalist state are interested only in how much money/power they are personally able to amass.
Imperialism is a stage in capitalist development, it is not the same thing as capitalism. Mexico isn’t imperialist, for example. The lack of ability to be imperialist means Russia is on the side targeted by imperialism, and for its own self-interest is working against the very system targeting it. This is why it’s helping Cuba, trading heavily with socialist countries like China, and supporting the Alliance of Sahel States in kicking out France. Ideology isn’t the reason for Russia’s anti-imperialism, its geopolitical context is.
As for nationalism, you oversimplified it dangerously. Nationalism against imperialism and colonialism is progressive, nationalism preserving imperialism and colonialism is regressive. Palestinian nationalism is a progressive movement against settler-colonialism and genocide, and weakens the international imperialist movement.
Returning to Russia, the nationalist bourgeoisie is interested in opposing imperialism out of their own self a preservation. They aren’t good people, but they are backed into a corner by a common threat. Russia is not an imperialist country, it already succeeded in a nationalist revolution in the 90s against imperialism and as such needs to have a socialist revolution to completely liberate itself.
Capitalism is a global movement, the idea that elites of different nation states are ‘at war’ with one another is an illusion designed to keep the masses fighting amongst ourselves rather than against our common enemies: i.e the capitalist class. This has never been more clear than today, with the US president doing everything he can to support his allies in Russia.
In universalizing imperialism, you’re erasing it’s actual character.
Capitalism by its very nature is a system of accumulation. The fact that Russia is not imperialized by the west means the west is working to open Russia’s markets by force. This isn’t unique to Russia, it’s just that Russia is the topic here.
Trump is not a Russia ally. The two countries stand opposed on the emerging multipolar world. What Trump is forced to recognize is industrial and millitary power, which Russia is still rising in while the imperialist countries de-industrialize.
The capitalist class is the enemy. However, what you are doing is erasing imperialism as a stage in capitalism, vulgarly reducing it to being synonymous with capitalism and therefore either universally applicable, ie Burkina Faso would be imperialist, or a simple policy preference by some states, essentially Kautsky’s error. Neither are accurate. In eliminating national distinctions between the capitalist class, you eliminate proletarian internationalism.
Imperialism is a stage of capitalism, an essential stage in which all capitalists would engage if only given the opportunity: whether they be from America, Russia, Mexico, or even Burkina Faso. Ownership of the means of production (or owing shares in the corporations that own the means of production) is available to capitalists of every nationality.
If Trump isn’t an ally of Russia’s capitalists then why did he declare that Russia posed no cybersecurity threat to the US and then dissolve the wing of the pentagon that worked to counter such a threat.
The idea that denying the fact that the capitalists have no personal belief in nationalism somehow magically negates international solidarity is nonsensical: the truth is that nationalism is just codified xenophobia, and is a tool used by the capitalists (and relentlessly promoted through their mass media empires) in order to divide the workers, this preventing cooperation across national and ethnic ‘borders’.
I’ve spelled it out twice now, if you honestly still don’t understand I don’t think there’s anything I can say that will make it clear to you…
No, I don’t understand, because I’m not a demagogue. I know for a fact that most liberals think we’re all demagogues.
Guess where they got it from: the liberals themselves made it up to smear us.
You fell for your own propaganda. You can’t successfully talk to us because you operate off of flawed assumptions.
You played yourself.
🙄 I’m not any kind of liberal, I’m just not so black and white in my thinking that I believe Russia poses any kind of opposition to the global capitalist oligarchy (because they themselves are a capitalist oligarchy).
The fact of the matter is that both Russia and the US are working to further the aims of the billionaire technocracy that rules our planet, and I therefore consider shilling for either regime (or for the EU) to be despicable behaviour.
You guys consider yourselves communists but give support to capitalist states. Do better.
Russia is self-interested in opposing the imperialist system dominated by the US. It isn’t ideologically aligned with socialism, but it is practically aligned with socialists in overthrowing imperialism. The Russian bourgeoisie is nationalist, not imperialist, as there simply isn’t space for Russia to colonize as the west has the entire imperialized world under its thumb.
Capitalism and imperialism are essentially the same thing, lack of opportunity for imperialist projects is in no way evidence of opposition to imperialism. If you believe the elites in Russia have any ideological objections to imperialism then I have a bridge to sell you.
Nationalism (like all populist ideologies) exists purely as a means of controlling the masses, the oligarchs who control every capitalist state are interested only in how much money/power they are personally able to amass.
Imperialism is a stage in capitalist development, it is not the same thing as capitalism. Mexico isn’t imperialist, for example. The lack of ability to be imperialist means Russia is on the side targeted by imperialism, and for its own self-interest is working against the very system targeting it. This is why it’s helping Cuba, trading heavily with socialist countries like China, and supporting the Alliance of Sahel States in kicking out France. Ideology isn’t the reason for Russia’s anti-imperialism, its geopolitical context is.
As for nationalism, you oversimplified it dangerously. Nationalism against imperialism and colonialism is progressive, nationalism preserving imperialism and colonialism is regressive. Palestinian nationalism is a progressive movement against settler-colonialism and genocide, and weakens the international imperialist movement.
Returning to Russia, the nationalist bourgeoisie is interested in opposing imperialism out of their own self a preservation. They aren’t good people, but they are backed into a corner by a common threat. Russia is not an imperialist country, it already succeeded in a nationalist revolution in the 90s against imperialism and as such needs to have a socialist revolution to completely liberate itself.
Capitalism is a global movement, the idea that elites of different nation states are ‘at war’ with one another is an illusion designed to keep the masses fighting amongst ourselves rather than against our common enemies: i.e the capitalist class. This has never been more clear than today, with the US president doing everything he can to support his allies in Russia.
In universalizing imperialism, you’re erasing it’s actual character.
Capitalism by its very nature is a system of accumulation. The fact that Russia is not imperialized by the west means the west is working to open Russia’s markets by force. This isn’t unique to Russia, it’s just that Russia is the topic here.
Trump is not a Russia ally. The two countries stand opposed on the emerging multipolar world. What Trump is forced to recognize is industrial and millitary power, which Russia is still rising in while the imperialist countries de-industrialize.
The capitalist class is the enemy. However, what you are doing is erasing imperialism as a stage in capitalism, vulgarly reducing it to being synonymous with capitalism and therefore either universally applicable, ie Burkina Faso would be imperialist, or a simple policy preference by some states, essentially Kautsky’s error. Neither are accurate. In eliminating national distinctions between the capitalist class, you eliminate proletarian internationalism.
Imperialism is a stage of capitalism, an essential stage in which all capitalists would engage if only given the opportunity: whether they be from America, Russia, Mexico, or even Burkina Faso. Ownership of the means of production (or owing shares in the corporations that own the means of production) is available to capitalists of every nationality.
If Trump isn’t an ally of Russia’s capitalists then why did he declare that Russia posed no cybersecurity threat to the US and then dissolve the wing of the pentagon that worked to counter such a threat.
The idea that denying the fact that the capitalists have no personal belief in nationalism somehow magically negates international solidarity is nonsensical: the truth is that nationalism is just codified xenophobia, and is a tool used by the capitalists (and relentlessly promoted through their mass media empires) in order to divide the workers, this preventing cooperation across national and ethnic ‘borders’.