Ubuntu is the leading distro, if I’m not mistaken. It’s also compatible with Mint, Zorin, Xubuntu, etc, which are another leading distros than Fedora. Is it only for redhat users or secondary distro?
Go ahead and try Ubuntu and let me know how much you love their “App Store” experience. So many broken apps in their Snap store.
Fedora just works. Ubuntu is like the Windows of Linux. They think they know better than their users and, as such, try to force feed you the things they think are better, even when they’re worse.
Ubuntu is the leading distro
Leading in what? By most users? With that argument we should install Windows, because its the leading platform.
Canonical.
I’m curious why you’d say that. Ubuntu has made some weird decisions.
I dislike their DE. Snaps where a flop buy the vision was ambitious and cool if it had worked. And Id prefer a gnu system utils. But those are just reasons I don’t use it.
So if you like a Ubuntu derivative, they’re a fine vanilla distros. And they’ve always had deep ties with the FLOSS community and they are one of the primary reason we have a Linux desktop. So not sure I get the hate.
I meant canonical is RhE best reason not to choose ubuntu.
Right, they provide the funding for the developers keeping one of the most accessible distros going so whats the problem?
Canonical’s engineering is poor. They build weird stuff, and they want to close Linux off through CLA and permissive licenses. They aren’t a trust worthy company.
RH does more. RH is Linux for all intents and purposes.
Fedora is better. At one time, Ubuntu was good, but that was 20 years ago. The Fedora community has done a great job of stepping up to make it a great desktop distribution.
I think with that argument its better to point out Fedora has taken pains to isolate itself from Redhat/IBM. Because while IBM has historically had great engineering, they are not know for great licensing. In fact the basically destroyed and entire enterprise ecosystem recently with the licensing changes to RHEL.
Yeah, the Fedora community revolted when RH tried to force Fedora to be what they wanted, and RH left Fedora to the community after that. 😆
Moving CentOS upstream of RHEL? That was a good thing. RHEL didn’t have a true upstream, and now that is CentOS. The RHEL and the clones now have a central place to upstream code, and they now are the EL ecosystem instead of only RHEL. It’s created more diversity and has added more options.
For example, Alma doesn’t have to be bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL. They can carry their own patches and add features which their base wants and only be binary compatible.
Getting dumped on but I genuinely just want to know. 🤷
The only reason is f*ck snap and Ubuntu for forcing it onto users
Not enough people in here mentioning how nice a base vanilla DE experience is. I love vanilla gnome and it’s so refreshing to set up a fresh fedora install and have it so clean.
#Ubuntu has snaps which are a really annoying way to distribute software updates. I was a long term #Ubuntu user but have moved to #debian, with #Kde if I need a GUI instead of that horrid #gnome rubbish. All the third party software I use works just as well on debian as it did in ubuntu.
with #Kde if I need a GUI instead of that horrid #gnome rubbish
Well it’s not like you cannot use KDE with Ubuntu. There is Kubuntu for that, if you don’t like GNOME.
I’m currently maintaining a laptop with kubuntu (for someone else), and I honestly cannot recommend it.
They have kind of messed up the updates in their Plasma flavor, Discover routinely just fails to do the updates with a completely meaningless error message. I suspect the underlying issue is lock contention with the background service “unattended-upgrades.service”, but I’m not sure, because, again, that error message is ridiculously unhelpful. Also, said unattended-upgrades service does not seem to actually be doing any upgrades.
On the last install, also, the attempt to upgrade from Ubuntu 24 to 26.04 LTS, the upgrade failed in a spectacularly fashion that left the system mostly bricked in ways that could only be solved by a fresh reinstall. During the process, a few error messages made it look like the problem was hardware faults on the SSD, except when I then tested the SSD from a rescue disk using dd, smartctl, and iotester from https://github.com/guidow/iotester, I could find absolutely no indication of any faults on that drive whatsoever…
Granted my opinion on kubuntu may be a bit colored, because right this moment, I’m quite frustrated with it.
Also, installing massively important software like Firefox or Thunderbird through snaps instead of packaging them properly is just asinine.
You are right, the app management philosophy for Kubuntu is not quite right. Canonical put their effort towards providing Ubuntu with Gnome.
I had very similar issues, and since I wanted KDE (so many machines in my house already using KDE and I’m starting to get really comfortable with it) and I needed to use a specific app without containerization and the developer only makes a deb and rpm, I ended up trying Fedora with KDE. The DE bundled there is quite unadulterated, it’s basically a near latest stock KDE desktop. It was very seemless, you almost need to know nothing specific about Fedora, just use you muscle memory navigating the desktop.
I see. Need to read more about the current state of Kubuntu, because I don’t want recommend something that might be not in a good state. Kubuntu was a good choice in the past.
Granted my opinion on kubuntu may be a bit colored, because right this moment, I’m quite frustrated with it.
I don’t think your opinion is less worth just because you experience problems.
Discover in Kubuntu works a little differently than you would expect if you used KDE elsewhere.
What do you mean “differently”? I know that “Discover” only works for Flatpak in Arch based systems, such as EndeavourOS and on SteamOS. I never used Kubuntu or KDE on Ubuntu.
I can’t remember exactly. There are two app stores and Discover is one of them. If I was you I would boot into a live or virtual environment and check it out. I think it’s explained in the welcome screen.
Sorry I can’t remember.
No worries. As for checking it out myself, its a bit too much work to download iso and install the operating system just to check something for a random question. :D And searching the web is a bit difficult because of the name of the app “Discover” is not very unique. I’m not planning on using Kubuntu anyway, it was a curious question, so not important at all.
I know that Discover does not support native repositories on Arch based systems. So my expectation is it has something to do with that. On Kubuntu there is also Snap, on top of Flatpak and native packaging. I assume it was confusing to deal with all of that. It’s not really a unique “problem” to Kubuntu. Just looking here a bit https://kubuntu-docs.readthedocs.io/en/22.04.0/software-management/repositories.html .
Thanks for the replies, never mind and have a nice day.
Snap has advantages though, apps works across different distros I think?
Snaps only work on ubutnu based distros. Flatpak apps are what you need for multiple distros.
So does Flatpak. In fact more distributions support Flatpak instead Snap.
Fedora does good work on security and it doesn’t have snaps. But personally I prefer the stability of Debian (not that I daily drive it).
Apples and oranges : Ubuntu is a commercial endeavour with a huge entreprise desktop and server base (not unlike redhat), while Fedora is the testing grounds, community-side of said redhat, so inherently not made for IRL work.
I’m pretty sure a lot of people use Fedora for work (I do, on my Asahi macbook), but if you are a business you probably won’t, as you’ll look for something with available customer support.
All other merits and demerits enunciated here are valid, but the true difference is in their target audience.
